Rami Graur, CEO of the Employment Service, spoke today (Wednesday) with Anat Davidov on her program “Where’s the Money” on 103FM? He rejected the accusations made by Meir Spiegler, CEO of the National Insurance Institute, yesterday and lamented “Leadership of Fear” in which Luca Spiegler. Another Grauer claimed that he “blames other bodies that have no part in the matter.” As you may recall, his remarks come against the background of a mistake in the report, which led to about 400,000 Israelis receiving unemployment benefits that they were not supposed to receive, in the amount of about one billion shekels.
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I want to hear things that Spiegler told us’ When it comes to services from the Social Security, the employment service is an unnecessary bureaucracy and also data that in retrospect turns out to be simply unreliable. Incorrect. The hallucinators’. what are you saying?
“It is a great pity that a public service CEO does not know how to show leadership and take responsibility for his mistakes, for things he said many months ago, and he probably forgot. He said ‘I am paying NIS 1.6 billion this month to over 700,000 job seekers, I know some of them are not eligible. “I pay advances and then I will collect. Every person is a world and its fullness and it is important to me that they have a subsistence fee immediately. I do not check the tassels.”
You say he knew he might be paying people who are not entitled to unemployment benefits and yet agreed to pay even though you warned him?
“Of course he knows. That’s why I opened up and said, ‘This is not leadership.’ He could say, ‘Friends, I have taken responsibility and a strategic decision, or I’m capable of examining every demand of a job seeker and finishing the process in six months, or I’m paying everyone and then I do. Control and where I paid and did not need I charge back ‘. This is leadership required today and not leadership of fear and start blaming other bodies that have no part in the matter, and we have no part in the matter. The National Insurance Law requires the National Insurance Institute to perform eligibility tests for the payment of unemployment benefits, all tests are done by the National Insurance Institute, and there is one test related to the employment service. We reported to the National Insurance Institute those who registered with us. “
Where’s the mistake? You blame him.
“I did not blame.”
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You threw the ball at him, he threw it at you yesterday. what’s right?
“He said, ‘I quote’ they will collect later. ‘ If in April-May he paid hundreds of millions in advance, and knew he was doing it, why did he just wake up now? It does not depend on the employment service. “
How do you prevent such a mistake again? We are in a time when we are going out and going into closures.
“We said in April that the correct model was not the KHL model and Spiegler pushed to go for the KHL model out of knowing that they would pay overpayments. We thought the German model was the right model as they did in many European countries.”
I mean are you prepared that they will not enter your site at all, and there will be only one place where they will fill in the details and there will be no mistakes?
“Certainly! But the mistake is not ours. The eligibility test is done solely by the National Insurance Institute, we do not have the ability to perform these tests.”
This is a billion shekels. What is the state of unemployment?
“The economy is starting to open up and we are seeing a return of people to the labor force. Slowly, but this has been evident for the past two weeks. In recent days, close to 30,000 workers have returned to the labor force. “We will return to the labor force and of course we will be left with a considerable amount of several hundred thousand, we estimate about 400,000. We will have to see how we help them return to the labor force.”