“Does not rule out sitting with ultra-Orthodox”

On government collaborations: “Gafni and I are on good terms, the fact that the ultra-Orthodox have become as if they belong to the right is a new thing. Beyond ‘We will not sit with Netanyahu’, I did not say that we will not sit with anyone else. It depends on what the political constellation will be. “

– Do you have a preference for a particular government? A government with the ultra-Orthodox perhaps, a government with Lieberman? How do you see yourself in this?
“I have an unequivocal preference for a particular government – a preference for a center-left government.”

– Yes, but for the government, which is also realistic.
“I was asked what I prefer. This is the government I prefer. I remind everyone that elections are not ‘winners’, they do not guess their results and do not award prizes for successful guesses.”

– You went through, things we once thought were dreamy like sitting with Lieberman or someone on the right can happen now?
“I remind all voters again – you and I determine the election results on a ballot paper that you put in the ballot box. Whoever gives him power – will have power. First of all let’s make a big, strong Labor Party, a real house that can be trusted, that tells the truth. The public is exhausted, but not because of the confusion of politics, but because their livelihood has been lost, their health is in danger, because there are more and more existential problems in the routine. “

– Lieberman says “I will not sit with the ultra-Orthodox”, Saar wonders if he can sit with Meretz. Are you also vetoing which of the parties?
“I said I would not sit with Netanyahu and I proved it. By the way, unlike all the others who today compete with each other for ‘who is not Netanyahu’, but everyone – Lapid, Bennett, Lieberman and Saar – cooperated with Netanyahu and sat with him and gave him governments.”

Michaeli N.A question about sitting in government with the ultra-Orthodox and returning“Gafni and I are on good terms, it is well known. I, the Labor Party, will work to maximize the realization of the values ​​we represent and represent.”

– We know your positions and ideologies, where does this meet Gaffney? Where is the civil marriage?
“One of the things I’m busy with is to stop talking only about sectoral positions. Israeli citizens have much more in common and it’s time for them to work for that. You can no longer see each other, each other, only through whether you are an ultra-Orthodox or an Arab. Beyond ‘We will not sit with Netanyahu’, I did not say that we will not sit with anyone else. It depends on what the political constellation will be. “

– If the cards are shuffled and the traditional blocs crumble, can the Labor Party find itself in one coalition with Shas and Torah Judaism?
“The Labor Party, over the years, has cooperated many times. The fact that the ultra-Orthodox have become as if they belong to the right, in the taboo, is something new.

“They do things that are not acceptable to me, but does that categorically disqualify them and make them illegitimate? No, the answer is no. I am interested in helping them and helping all citizens of Israel to make a better society here, a better country, we must make this effort together. “

– What role do you mark in the next government? The party chairman, chances are you will be Sarah.
“I do not distribute portfolios, neither to myself nor to anyone. I do not think in these terms, truly and sincerely. I think first of rebuilding a political camp that represents most of what the Israeli public wants. The concern for life itself, health, education, housing, welfare. It is not represented today in the political system at all, I have almost 40 days, 36, who counts, first of all convince the public again that they can determine for themselves – you can act for what you care.It is not fate, you should not accept all the political talk These disconnects as something that cannot be changed.

“There is no ministry that I have plans for, and in the same breath I will say that there is no ministry that cannot be acted through. In every ministry, it is possible to act for equality and better society,” Michaeli added.

– Who are the factors that want to pull the Labor Party down?
“Trying, they will not succeed. I do not know who these people are, I did not bother myself with it. The Labor Party is very much renewed now. In the last month more than 10,000 men and women have joined.”

– You are not moved by abandonment, departures, such and such publications.
“No. I see that there are people who are moving to Gantz, and there are those who want to return to Netanyahu’s arms. It saddens me, it seems wrong to me. But the Labor Party is progressing from exactly this place – going forward, rebuilding, from a public returning home and a public whose party was not home But he has no other house that represents him and gives him a voice. “

Michaeli referred to a recent criticism of Mara’ana, who among other things recently wrote on Facebook “Tu B’Shvat has arrived – the Feast of the Nakba”, and in the past criticized the “occupation army that murdered a child”. In 2009 she even retired from Meretz due to Operation Gaza: “She is truly the ultimate partner In the sense of its intentions. There were bad remarks, she repeated them publicly and utterly, let’s move forward. We have something to build. It is impossible to continue and really dig into this thing. “

– The right’s attempt to create symmetry between it and Ben Gvir and others, do you understand him?
“Obviously I understand him, that’s what the right has always done. It’s legitimizing people who should not be legitimized by de-legitimizing people who have no reason to.”

– Do you see a difference between her and Itamar Ben Gvir?
“Is this a serious question? I think it’s not fair to ask such a thing. This is a man against whom there are countless indictments, people suspected of membership in a terrorist organization. Has he backtracked on these things? Has he changed his ideology? The answer is no. In her ideology never. There was a problem, it never atoned for the State of Israel.

“This morning I read a quote from Yitzhak Rabin on the duty of any democracy, even if it is very weak, to maintain freedom of expression with all vigilance” Michaeli continued in her case, again, these are things from the past – they have no taste and no emotion, but no problematic ideology. She never called to do anything wrong. Things came out of her pain, which as she called herself – a ‘poor expression’ and she gets away with it. Let’s move forward, let’s talk about the fact that the Knesset Labor Party’s list includes a former General Staff patrol commander, a former IDF spokesman, and a former ambassador to Washington.

“If I had initiated an apocalyptic script, I would have destroyed the memory of Jacob.” That’s something she said, too.
“I say again and again – enough, how much is possible? She got back at it from things, what is not clear?”.

– One can also ask “how much can one talk about Ben Gvir”.
“The same cannot be said of Ben Gvir, who still believes in the superiority of the Jews over the Arabs. This is racism.”

– Did it occur to you to ask her to leave?
“Absolutely not. Abtissam Maraana was elected in a democratic election. We are the only party that implements democracy and not just talking about it. Highly, I did not vote for it, but my Labor members in many thousands voted for it. To the question of whether it is suitable for Yitzhak Rabin’s party? “Absolutely yes.” Rabin, as I said again now, emphasized the importance of freedom of expression, the importance of partnership with Arab society. He was the prime minister, who by the way is part of the delegitimization they did to him precisely because of the partnership with Arab society and the Oslo process. ” .